Buying Social Votes Misses The Point, Or Why My Vote Is Not For Sale. Or Loan. Or Lease.

Well said Tinu.

This is part of the social media spamming, I would say.

Btw, your feed displays a line that says:

in every footer.

-Hendry

Well said Tinu.

This is part of the social media spamming, I would say.

Btw, your feed displays a line that says:

in every footer.

-Hendry

Response to Mike Kier,

I don't know you and you don't know me, however, you sycophantic ass, I do know people just like you. You're the kind of guy who probably pulled wings off flies, kicked dogs and was a bully - then when you got older you found out that not everyone was going to put up with your crap. Oh, what did you do then? Cry?

You're the kind of low-life who, because they can't make it through your own efforts, point the finger at everyone else - it's not your fault you're a loser, it's his fault, and her fault, and the litany goes on. Poor excuse for a life - as you well know.

So, it was 2006 when you laid out $500 for a course that was worth more than you could afford - ergo the low price. You make me laugh.

I bet you've gone to bed every night since Sept. '06 just fretting that you've 'lost' money on a deal that didn't work. What if you took all that energy to do something positive. If you had you wouldn't have written the comment above. People like you want to make me puke.

It's been 17 some odd months since you invested money in something that was and still is great. That works out to $29.00 a month. Man, you must be hard up to let this eat at you. You could've got a job at McDonald's to recoup your supposed loss, but they probably wouldn't hire you and not because you're over qualified. What a minch!

So, big shot, do you feel better now? I bet you're bragging to all of your other loser friends that you really gave it to Tinu. What a big man you must be. You probably tell everyone how you let her have it. What a hero you must be to all your friends. How they must idolize you.

I, too, was one of the ones who invested in Tinu's program. I got more than $500 worth. Maybe it's because I listened, asked for help and did what Tinu told me to do. I was so pleased and impressed with her that my wife and I are now partners with Tinu. How's that for irony you wannabe.

So, from now on, not that Tinu can't speak for herself, if you want to vent the troubles you've had in your miserable egg-sucking life, address them to me.

Anytime, anyplace. We'll sell tickets and thousands will come to see the show. Oh, entry fee is $500. You should start now collecting soda cans so you won't have to blame your loss on someone else.

It'd be a new experience for you.

Hello Mike,

First, I have never gone anywhere, and I'm not in hiding, evidenced by the fact that I let your comment stand for almost 24 hours before replying. I get a notification every time there is a comment and I could have deleted it and blocked your IP address. No one would have ever seen it.

This is where i STARTED so what you mean by "ended up" I don't know. If you check the archives, I've been here since 2004, and online since 1998. People who blog WANT commentary and feedback. That's why I'm here.

Yes, we had a course in September 2006 that was $500. And let me start off by saying that everyone who asked for their money back for the course, once we realized we were going to have problems, we sent to PayPal to get their money back. Out of almost 100 people who signed up, ten people asked. They went to Paypal, they got their money back. That's why I use PayPal, 2checkout and Google Checkout to take orders, so that I can never, ever stop anyone from getting a refund as long as they are within the proper terms and not committing fraud.

To date we have not refused a single refund from anyone, even those Known to be fraudulent, not ever. You have never asked me for your money back -- if you had I would have sent you to PayPal and you would have gotten your refund like everyone else in the history of my company who has asked for a refund for a class or product, ever. I have an open comments policy here and I will continue to. You have always had the ability to come here and make a comment. So why haven't you? THIS CLASS WAS IN 2006! And you have YET to ask for your money back.

Of course if you were paying attention to the course, you would have known that I never had your money. To this day, I never got my hands on it. I taught that course FOR FREE. How many "charletons" and "rip off artists" do you know who do that? I put myself in the hospital on the basis of keeping my word. But we'll come back to that point later.

I have never, and will never try to hide, on or offline. I can. Don't get me wrong, I know all the tricks, and I could have easily just retired and no one would have ever heard from me again. I have a dual citizen ship so I could have even fled the country to escape prosecution, if I had done anything wrong.

But I haven't. And I don't operate like that. And I never will. Anyone who ever asks for a refund gets it, as soon as humanly possible. It's more difficult for a service because if I give a person my time, my consultation, and my help, I can't get that back. But still, if my time and resources don't help a person, I do indeed return, in full, every penny, as soon as they ask. Seems like it would be a better way to handle it, don't you think? To simply ask for your money back?

And yes, I'll admit we had some problems with the course. First, PayPal froze my account after so many *satisifed* people upgraded to private consultation. I still, to this day, did not get that money. I never got any of the money that didn't come through Google Checkout. Ever. I wrote about it, on this same site, last year. I wrote about the problem with the course and that I was retiring due to health problems, last year.

So I had a choice. I could continue with the course and hope that one day, I'd be paid, or tell everyone to get their money back. I decided that even without the support staff and tools that the funds were supposed to go towards, I would go ahead and teach the course as best as I could. To do so, a friend of Antonio's also promoted the course, which I knew would make matters worse and everything a bit crowded. I knew I would have to drop everything else I was doing and NOT MAKE A SINGLE PENNY of profit for almost six months to do it.

But since I had given my word, I went ahead and taught the course. Furthermore, I announced to everyone, through the list and through personal emails to each and every person that the course was not going to be the same, not going into too much detail about why. I left the option to leave the course open for THREE MONTHS. At ANY time during the first three months, you could have gotten your money back from PayPal.

Most people were satisfied with the course and learned a lot. For some people the course was a bit over their heads. And even though it was not part of the course, I worked with those people until they got it. Did the idea of asking for additional help ever occur to you? Of asking for anything?

The copy of the project is a problem? I told everyone they could get their electronic version when ever they wanted IT'S STILL ON THE SERVER IN THE SAME PLACE. So go get it. I also offered to send people a copy on DVD last year when i almost died after overworking myself for this same course.

I don't care where you follow me. I don't care what you do. I have made my peace with the entire year of my life I lost to sickness and almost death over this course. I have not named the names of the people who promised to help me with the course and never showed up. I have never charged anyone for the extra help that I gave. My advice usually costs much more than $500 a month. And if you remember on the original sales page IT WAS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE A COURSE. You were supposed to just look over my shoulder while I taught another person. I thought better of it and DECIDED to make it into a course.

So tell anyone you want anything you like. I have several thousand testimonials and a reputation that says differently. I went through a lot of guilt and pain over what happened in 2006, and I'm finally over it. Because at the end of the day, I didn't do anything wrong, just one thing foolish - try to give people a $2000 value for something they paid $500 for, and used the wrong program for product fulfillment.

To this day anytime anyone ever asks for a refund, we give it to them with no questions. i basically gave of myself until I almost killed myself because PayPal basically stole my money.

If you still want your money back you still have the same two recourses you always did. 1- Contact PayPal. Get your money back. I can't stop you nor would i want to. 2- Contact your credit card company. Do a chargeback. I can't stop you. i wouldn't want to.

I hope your energy serves you well. i have been sick and my content is mostly transcribed but I typed up this whole thing myself. I hope that whatever pain would cause you to treat another person that way is one day healed and pray that God blesses you. If you wish to stalk me online forever, knock yourself out. It won't change anything. I will continue on in my endeavors because all the free information I give away are sufficient proof that my techniques work. Anyone who thinks otherwise can contact people I have worked with or for.

And anyone who doubts me can go on about their business elsewhere. I leave those people with this thought. I have been online helping people since 1998. I have made this a business since 2002, full time since 2004. It is not a coincidence that Mr. Mike Kier is the first person in ten years to viciously and publicly attack me. It happens to a lot more people who have done a lot better job than me all the time. The difference is that I always have, and always will. go the extra mile to help, and have never refused a refund.

Occasionally, there is a delay. But I've never refused one. In fact, Mike, if you come back, read that and apologize for your ridiculous attack, I'll pay you back out of my own pocket and you won't have to go to PayPal. In fact, you could contact them and get double your money back, I coudn't stop you.

Otherwise, do what you want. Follow me. Share whatever you want. Take out an ad in the NY Times. But never think for one moment that your negativity can stop me in my journey.

So this is where Tinu ended up. Is this the Tinu (together with Antonio Thornton) who I and a bunch of others paid $500 in September 2006 for a blogging class that was incredibly poorly organized and a total waste of time? Is this the Tinu who promised the same class that we would receive a copy of the blogging product that she was supposedly creating following the class but never materialized?

I will follow you wherever you go on the web and share these facts with everyone I come across because as far as I'm concerned, you're a charleton and a rip off artist.

So this is where Tinu ended up. Is this the Tinu (together with Antonio Thornton) who I and a bunch of others paid $500 in September 2006 for a blogging class that was incredibly poorly organized and a total waste of time? Is this the Tinu who promised the same class that we would receive a copy of the blogging product that she was supposedly creating following the class but never materialized?

I will follow you wherever you go on the web and share these facts with everyone I come across because as far as I'm concerned, you're a charleton and a rip off artist.

Well said sir. I want people to send me things, I like to be informed. But not only the purchased vote is wack - the pressured vote is too. i don't vote under pressure, I cuss. :)

If votes could be purchased all meaning of the votes is lost. Yes giving a look-see to mates submissions is cool but that's as far as it goes.

If votes could be purchased all meaning of the votes is lost. Yes giving a look-see to mates submissions is cool but that's as far as it goes.

Morgan,

I kiss you.

Hendry,

Definitely a part of the spamolution or spam pollution. The difference being that legitimate people who would never spam or do anything else underhanded seem to think that the practice is okay. Since they are newbies at this, it's not that I think we should let it slide, but I definitely believe we should tell them better.

Well said Tinu.

This is part of the social media spamming, I would say.

Btw, your feed displays a line that says:

in every footer.

-Hendry

Well said Tinu.

This is part of the social media spamming, I would say.

Btw, your feed displays a line that says:

in every footer.

-Hendry

Hi sweetness!

Desperation be damned. It's the lack of proper upbringing, no standards of ethics, no concern for the fall-out, no guts to stick it out and work for success.
Incredible how some ya-ya's just don't get it, their moral standards, well they have none. You can't buy your way to fame in the blogging world unless you have a cadre of 'loosers' supporting one another.

Remember, "Cheaters never prosper - unless you're a celebrity"!

"Isn't it a pity, isn't it a shame" - George Harrison.

Well Nadine, I think it's more desperation than corruption, though I know for a fact the corruption is out there. I think it's more desperation and ignorance, and I just try to remember when I was desperate or ignorant. Some people approach sites like Reddit like they approach Google, and they're already thinking of Google like they have to cheat their way to the top. In the mainstream, most people still think SEO is some kind of way to trick Google into ranking your site.

I don't mean just small business owners who don't have time to learn, I mean prominent bloggers and online personalities. So they bring that mentality with them to new endeavors - they think they Must cheat to get ahead. All we can do is e there to tell them the truth.

Hi Tinu,
How corrupt, or desperate, people can get, always puzzles me. Thanks for reasserting the case for ethics (if not plain intelligence). Have a great weekend,
Nadine

Hi Tinu,
How corrupt, or desperate, people can get, always puzzles me. Thanks for reasserting the case for ethics (if not plain intelligence). Have a great weekend,
Nadine